Williams Family Tree

The notion that Sarah's father was called john was based on the marraige certificate for JTW's parents, which was bogus.

Genuki
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/MerthyrTydfil/Dowlais/Pubs.html
says that there was a Morlais Castle pub in Pant Road, as oppsed to the current one in Pontmorlais.
It also says that there was a Thomas Williams who ran the Patriot Inn, High Street Dowlais (just along from Cefn) in 1858/9.

On Monday 15 Aug 2011, in Merthyr Tydfil library (reference section!), John Mallon told EJW that he lived next door to the Rising Sun Stores. (The Rising Sun proprietor later told EJW that John lived around the corner on the side road, not on the high street.) John appeared to be about 40, didn't have an email address, and neglected to leave a phone number.

John Mallon said that Dai the Rising, proprietor of the Rising Sun Stores some time before the present occupants, inherited the shop from his Aunt Polly, who died relatively young sometime around 1930. Was this Mary Ann Jones? We know she was called Polly from one of the two 1881 censuses. Her nephew would have been the sone of one of her siblings, about whom we know nothing.

John Mallon also said that one of his, John Mallon's, ancestors was a Thomas Williams born in Llywel about 1800. He said that Llywel was tiny and it could be the same person. His Thomas was sibling to Rebecca, Rhys, Walter who was a botanist, and David who emigrated to the US. The father of his Thomas Williams was William Thomas from ?Senny?

John said that the Llywel baptism records are in good condition. They're at the Welsh National Archive.

I (EJW) have searched the probate index for the name "Thomas Williams" for all probate years from 1871 to 1884 and haven't found a will.

IGI produces this:

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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THOMAS WILLIAM
Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
31 JUL 1803 Llywel, Brecon, Wales
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM MORGAN
Family
Mother: GWENLIAN

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C081471 1791 - 1858 0104486 Film 1238716 Film

And also produces this:

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THOMAS WILLIAMS OR THOMAS
Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
21 AUG 1804 Llywel, Brecon, Wales
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: THOMAS PRICE
Family
Mother: GWEN WILLIAMS

Messages:
This information was generated from another entry that appears in this index. Look for another entry for this person.

Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.

Source Information:
Batch Number: 7232207
Sheet: 19
Source Call No.: 0822072 Type: Film

Familysearch produces this:

Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907 for Thomas William
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name: Thomas William
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 25 Aug 1799
baptism/christening place: LLYWEL,BRECON,WALES
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: William Davies
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Gwenlian
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C08147-1
system origin: Wales-ODM
source film number: 104486
reference number:

Is this Thomas's death record?

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1877 (>99%)
Williams Thomas 73 Merthyr T. 11a 351
Deaths Sep 1879 (99%)
Williams Thomas 76 Merthyr T. 11a 214
Deaths Sep 1880 (>99%)
WILLIAMS Thomas 77 Merthyr T. 11a 234

A notice in the Merthyr Library says that the records of the 1841 Cefn census have been lost. So, it's not surprising I can't find Thomas and Eliza in 1841.